INCIPE
Institute for International Affairs and Foreign Policy
NATO Public Diplomacy Division
With the sponsorship of:
Spanish Institute for Strategy Studies – Ministry
of Defence
Embassy of the United States of America
International Seminar:
NATO
FACING THE FUTURE
Madrid (Hotel Meliá
Galgos), October 25th 2004
Summary
Inauguration and key
remarks:
The seminar began with opening remarks
from José Lladó, President of INCIPE and
Ambassador of Spain, followed by Admiral Francisco Torrente,
Secretary General for Defence Policy (Spanish Ministry
of Defence), and lastly by Jean Fournet, NATO Assistant
Secretary General for Public Diplomacy.
After thanking the participants, Ambassador José
Lladó stressed the importance of looking for
consensus and solidarity while addressing the challenges
facing NATO. He named globalization as “the force
that would help us to accept diversity and to find a
common ethic”.
Admiral Francisco Torrente continued this
sentiment by describing NATO as currently in an area
of change, in which it must search for “an appropriate
response and develop capabilities that match today’s
challenges”. He described this process as part
of NATO’s constant adaptation. The key components
include trust in the principles and values of the allied
countries, and the adaptation to different variables
in the strategic environment, said Admiral Torrente.
Jean Fournet then addressed the title of
the conference—“NATO facing the future”.
From his public diplomacy perspective, this title conveys:
“energy, dynamism and opened-mindedness”.
He also discussed the evolution of NATO since the Cold
War in terms of three dichotomies. Since 1945, NATO
has gone from having static to dynamic alliances, from
balancing to fighting against terrorism, and from keeping
the peace to actively shaping the peace. He now sees
NATO as playing a vital role in developing international
security, maintaining the transatlantic relationship,
fostering complementarities between nations and acting
as an agent of change.

Panel I: “The enlarged NATO:
strategic consequences, contribution of the new members
and NATO’s open door policy”
This panel featured Ambassador Boyko Noev
of the Center for the Study of Democracy in Sofia, Adjunct
professor Thomas Mahnken of Georgetown and Johns Hopkins
Universities, Robert Weaver, the Head of Country Relations
with Political Affairs of NATO (PASP), and Herman Tertsch,
Journalist for El País newspaper. Chairman of
the discussion was Julián García Vargas,
the President of the Spanish Atlantic Association and
Former Spanish Defence Minister.
Ambassador Boyko Noev opened the round table by relating
the experience of Bulgaria, in both their sorrows in
missing the latest round of enlargement and inspiration
to join in the next. He then compared NATO and EU enlargement
as having similar objective strategies and as both aspiring
towards the consolidation of democracy and market reform.
He sees the potential for membership into both groups
as a stimulus for international change and the acceptance
of common rules. This being the case, the open door
policy is capable of pushing political elites in south-eastern
Europe to reform their policies and bring more transparency
to the government. While the EU may not be ready to
tackle the addition of more south-eastern countries,
Ambassador Noev encouraged NATO to consider the addition
of Serbia and Croatia.
In his address of the transatlantic relationship,
Ambassador Noev claimed that the gap between the United
States and the European Union is a result of the more
advanced social economic system of the US (in its fungibility
into military power), the incompatibility of the demographic
structures, and the lingering issue of EU sovereignty.
Ambassador Noev concluded that relations with the US
slow EU development, especially in a time where the
EU desperately needs credible military power to support
their economic growth.
Boyko Noev next discussed the nature of threats facing
NATO. He specifically mentioned the spill-over from
Africa and the Middle East as well as the terrorism
harboured in their failed states. He believes the greatest
danger lies in the potential for terrorists to obtain
weapons of mass-destruction. In order to combat terrorism,
Ambassador Noev made three suggestions: first, that
the transatlantic alliance agrees that the world is
in more danger now that it was during the Cold War;
second, that the US recognizes that “it can win
the battle but not the war”, and finally, that
NATO’s capacity should be fortified through defence
reform and more specialized divisions of labour.
Professor Thomas Mahnken opened his portion of the round
table by stating “the NATO of today is not your
father’s NATO”. He said that, whereas fifteen
years ago NATO was not expected to survive, the fall
of the Berlin Wall, today it plays a key role in the
European Union and in the reconstruction of Afghanistan.
NATO has also recently added ten countries, raising
its composition to 40% former Warsaw Pact members. This
shifts the gravity of NATO to the south and east. As
the new members have suffered under tyranny, NATO will
have a stronger moral clarity.

According to Mahnken, the transatlantic
alliance faces three challenges: the disparity between
US and EU capabilities, the potential for a EU defence
force, and the perception gap. In terms of capabilities,
the US leads the world in exploitation of the military
information wave. Although there have been some developments
in EU technology (such as the successful use of British
capabilities in Iraq), the gap continues to grow, along
with the under-funding of NATO. Professor Mahnken believes
that the subsequent propped-up relationship is very
unhealthy, and that the EU and US should collaborate
in selective areas in order to improve it. Potential
areas for such collaboration are counter terrorism technology,
post-conflict expertise (i.e. the Balkans, Afghanistan
and Iraq) and counter-proliferation.
Lastly, Thomas Mahnken expressed his concern
over the transatlantic perception gap. Despite 50 years
of common experience, widespread misunderstanding between
Europe and the United States still exists. Professor
Mahnken believes that frequently the symptom is falsely
attributed to be the cause. As an example, he states
that while the muscular foreign policy and overt religious
foundation of the US are often attributed to the Republican
Party, these beliefs are in fact deeply entrenched in
American society. Mahnken concluded his presentation
by encouraging all to “defend the transatlantic
relationship!”.
Robert Weaver, as a NATO representative,
followed Manhken by methodically relating seven strategic
gains of enlargement (in honour of the seven new members).
Firstly, a gain has been made in the enhancement of
security and stability. By including new nations, NATO
increases their self-confidence as Western democracies.
Secondly, NATO has driven values in the direction of
democracy. The tough conditions of membership have and
will continue to push reluctant leaders to lessen corruption
and develop their reform efforts. Thirdly, enlargement
has fostered good governance by bringing credibility
to the defence sector and by allocating funds to specific
objectives. Fourthly, NATO has pledged to keep WMD and
combat forces out of new countries, meaning that there
will be only a minimal security presence in each new
country. Fifthly, NATO has greatly increased its diversity.
The organization now includes 26 members and 20 partners
from all regions of the world. Sixthly, NATO has improved
relations with Russia. After September 11th, Russia
assessed its common interests with NATO and made plans
for peace-keeping missions and civil emergencies. The
seventh and final gain is that relations with the EU
have been reinforced. Despite the competitive nature
between the EU and NATO, the number of common members
between them has increased, which will positively affect
the security landscape. Weaver ended his discussion
by affirming NATO’s commitment to the open door
policy and his belief in its widespread benefits.
Herman Tertsch was the final speaker on
the topic of enlargement. He began by celebrating the
successful addition of seven new members. He then addressed
“the Alliance of Atlanticism”. Tertsch first
related the joke that “to the United States, NATO
is but a cyst in the Pentagon”. Europe and the
United States have conflicting attitudes because they
both see themselves as morally

superior. In order to overcome this, both
parties must recognize common interests and develop
a shared sense of direction. Tertsch thinks that, without
this alliance, Europe cannot ensure its security, and
therefore, it is especially important.
The discussion next moved to address Russia’s
presence in Europe. Tertsch believes that although Putin
is skilful in international relations, his objectives
are far removed from the principles of NATO. Putin relies
heavily on the Soviet based “totalization”
of power, which has potential to become even more extreme
in the case that the Russia economy stagnates. Tertsch
extended this and expressed his concern for political
instability in the Balkans. If this region is integrated
into NATO, it would be possible to rebuild the fabric
and resolve conflicting national interests. Tertsch
also drew attention to the Ukraine, as a large, complex
country with the potential for stability, but lacking
a sound legal foundation for democracy. He ended his
discussion by encouraging everyone to listen carefully
to the opinions of new NATO members.

Panel II: “International Response against
Terrorism”
This panel featured George Argyros, Ambassador
of United States of America to Spain; Major General
Mohamed Kadry Said of the Al Ahram Center for Political
and Strategic Studies in El Cairo; and Ambassador Javier
Rupérez, Executive Director of the UN Counter-Terrorism
Committee. Chairman of the discussion was Rafael Calduch,
Professor and Head of International Relations at Complutense
University in Madrid.
Ambassador George Argyros began the round
table discussion by describing the United States’
reaction to terrorism. He stated that the main concern
of the United States is to find an appropriate response
that matches the nature and necessity of the current
situation. Argyros affirmed the United States’
strong stance, which incorporates military action when
necessary. He supported this by characterizing Islamic
terrorists as murderous extremists who subscribe to
the ideology of nihilism. For this reason, Argyros believes
the United States should disrupt and destroy terrorist
networks and fully support the growth of free nations.
Major General Mohamed Kadry Said shared
the Egyptian experience with terrorism, which provided
an interesting point of contrast to the previous US
perspective. The most recent terrorist attack in Egypt
took place two weeks ago with a hotel bombing that killed
34 people. One-third of those killed were Egyptians
and another third were Israelis. While speculations
have been made that either anti-Israeli forces or Al-Qaeda
carried out the attack, the responsible party is still
unknown. From this attack and others, General Said cited
two lessons to be learned. The first was that cooperation
between other countries in the same region is imperative.
He stressed the importance of demonstrating a collective
resolve against terrorism. The second lesson was that
border security between Israel and Egypt should be readdressed.
While the Camp David Agreement has been successful for
many years, now would be a good time to consider modification.
On a broader scale, General Said believes
that NATO should focus on preventing the proliferation
of WMD, given the catastrophic potential. This issue
is of particular concern to Egypt, as Israel owns nuclear
weapons and Iran is making an attempt to acquire them.
Along the same line, NATO should extend its presence
in the Middle East in order to change the prevalent
perspective of NATO as merely a western military organization.
General Said also shared his perspective of the United
States’ involvement in Iraq. He thinks that the
United States is mistaken in their perception of terrorism.
Terrorists will not change their system of beliefs and
objectives. Moreover, given that terrorist groups penetrate
many environments, the United States should look for
ways to positively reshape these environments, instead
of direct attacks on terrorists. In this respect, the
founding principle of the reconstruction effort in Iraq
should be to gain the hearts and minds of the Iraqis,
which in practice General Said believes is a principle
that the US has not respected.

In closing, he called for the rethinking
of cooperation. General Said sees cooperation, as a
strategy and as a process; not as a moral value. Terrorism
is a complex problem that calls for new understanding.
In order to properly combat it, unilateral attitudes
should be cast aside and relationships enhanced with
the sharing of intelligence and technology.
Although the contrasting perspectives of
Ambassador Argyros and General Said polarized the discussion
of terrorism, Ambassador Javier Rupérez brought
a more global perspective to the table. He began by
pointing out that the terrorism debate has been going
on for years in the UN, long before the attacks of September
11th. For instance, in 1990 the United Nations ratified
Resolution 1260, which catalogued the measures and sanctions
to be taken against terrorist groups. Immediately after
the September 11th attacks, the UN placed terrorism
at the forefront of their agenda. In October of 2001,
the UN ratified their cornerstone anti-terrorism resolution
and established Anti-Terrorism committee.
Ambassador Rupérez acknowledged the
dependency of the UN on the will of its members and
subsequent problem of compliance. However, he still
believes that the UN plays a critical role in the fight
against terrorism. To support this, he gave examples
of UN achievements, including the establishment of a
fund to help victims of terrorist attacks, the creation
of a clear and mandatory doctrine defining terrorism,
the stimulation of state dialogue, and the growth of
international consensus and collaboration.

Panel III: “The Enhancement of the Mediterranean
Dialogue and the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative”
This panel featured John H. Sandrock, Director
of the International Security Program in the Atlantic
Council of Washington D.C.; Pascal Boniface, Director
of the International Relations and Strategic Institute
of Paris (IRIS); Mustafa Aydin, Associate Professor
in International Relations at Ankara University, and
Alberto Bin, Head of Regional Affairs and Mediterranean
Dialogue of NATO (PASP). The chairman of this discussion
was Juan Prat, Ambassador in Special Mission for Mediterranean
Issues - Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation.
John Sandrock began his presentation by
briefly describing the evolution of Euro-Mediterranean
relations in the past ten years. The OSCE began an active
Mediterranean program in the early 1990s in the face
of pressing Middle Eastern problems. Since then, the
dialogue between the two regions has increased, fostering
growth in capabilities and a feeling of common interest.
Most recently, the Istanbul Cooperation Initiative was
formulated in June of 2004. Issues jointly addressed
by NATO and Turkey included: counterterrorism, non-proliferation,
border security, anti-trafficking, disaster preparedness,
defence reform and military interoperability.
Sandrock assured that NATO should be selective
in its dialogue with the Middle East and target countries
rather than catering to all seven. This strategy will
help to expand and control the Mediterranean dialogue.
He specifically suggests that NATO should engage Libya
given their recent dramatic changes in political thought,
so as to encourage closer integration. He also listed
Syria, the GCC states, Iran and Yemen as important future
players in the Middle Eastern dialogue. Sandrock addressed
the Arab-Israeli problem by appealing to NATO to renew
their multilateral peacekeeping efforts. In his opinion,
the long-term festering of this problem is unacceptable.
Finally John Sandrock directed the discussion
to terrorism. He described terrorism as the other side
to globalisation, in which actors aspire to inflict
mass fear and lack rationality or clear political objectives.
He acknowledged the differing in opinions of terrorism
worldwide, especially in the distrust of the United
States’ policies, but believes that common understanding
and consensus can be reached.
Pascal Boniface continued the discussion
by describing the relationship between terrorism and
the Mediterranean Dialogue. The fight against terrorism
is a crucial component, but the dialogue must be greater
and not monopolized by NATO. Boniface favourably views
the Istanbul Initiative. This cooperation effort smoothed
disagreements and helps to improve the unsatisfactory
situation in the Middle East. Boniface, however, has
mixed feelings about the current situation in Turkey.
Although Turkey is a republican parliamentary democracy,
it lacks the social participation of its citizens, a
strong educational system and women’s rights.
Turkey will be a challenge for NATO, because while the
NATO’s aim is to fortify democratic nations, democratization
is also necessarily organic. Boniface stressed that
democracy is not exportable, especially not by bombs.
Mustafa Aydin was the next speaker in the
roundtable. He first pointed out that while NATO registered
in the early 1990s that the Mediterranean and Middle
East were increasing in their treat, it was not until
after September 11th that the Mediterranean dialogue
became a priority. Now that the Russian and Balkans
Initiatives have passed, the focus of NATO is shifting
southward to include the greater Middle East (i.e. North
Africa). Professor Aydin stated that stabilization of
this region is crucial and should more firmly into NATO’s
agenda. In terms of Iraq, almost all NATO countries
agree that failure to reconstruct a viable state would
be a disaster for all. Mustafa Aydin gave three options
for extension of NATO’s outreach in the Middle
East: NATO membership, strengthened relations with dialogue
countries and the use of soft-power initiatives, and
the deepening of dialogue with all seven countries to
eventually create partnerships. All of these options
would aim to promote democratic control and political
transparency.
Aydyn also gave four principles that form
the basis for this process: close consultation before
making decisions, self-differentiation of countries,
assured complementarity of initiatives with each nation,
and the expansion of dialogue on a case-by-case basis.
Professor Aydin believes that NATO can help the Middle
East in defence reform, budgeting and planning with
the objective of increasing their cooperation. He also
proposes a 26+1 approach in order to work on an individual
basis with nations. This is given the volatility of
the Middle East and the fragility of their relations
with NATO. In terms of NATO’s Middle Eastern policy,
Aydin proposes the wholehearted support of the strengthening
of democracy from within the regime. The West should
be ready to support both top-down and bottom-down democratic
reforms. NATO should also promote both, a peaceful and
stable external environment to protect democracy at
the domestic level. In this case, instability abroad
could no longer be an excuse not to implement domestic
reform.
As a final suggestion, Aydin recommended
that the United States and Europe work together to build
a common strategy for democratization. This can be done
by increasing regional expertise and moving beyond outdated
models, concluded professor Aydin.
The final roundtable speaker was Alberto
Bin. He began his discussion by acknowledging the proactive
role Spain played in directing attention to the Middle
East in the early 1990s. The Mediterranean officially
began dialogue in 1994 with the inclusion of Tunisia,
Morocco, Mauritania and Egypt. The founding goal was
to establish a relationship of mutual confidence between
NATO and Mediterranean nations in the hope of expelling
misconceptions of NATO as a military block. Alberto
Bin stressed the importance of perceptions in international
relations and that the essence of security is its interdependence.
Finally, Bin addressed the Istanbul Cooperation
Initiative and its unique strategic importance. He commended
the multilateral (26+7) and bilateral

(26+1) dimensions of the initiative. He
also described NATO as being the only place in which
Israelis have discussed cooperation with their Arab
counterparts, and in which partnerships with realistic
aims for peace have been reached. For the same reason,
the offer made by NATO in Istanbul was well received.
The initiative has three enduring principles as highlighted
by Bin. First principle is practical cooperation. NATO
has the potential to add value to national security
systems by offering advice, cooperation and reform.
The second principle is to involve partners in the process
of ownership. This way they can better understand their
security needs and NATO can better tailor its programs.
The third principle is complementarity. This consists
of a multi-institutional effort in which all players,
in politics, economics and security, should be engaged.
Alberto Bin closed his discussion by reaffirming the
obligations of all member states to meet their words
with deeds and to contribute their fair share of resources.
His final comment was that as a citizen of Spain, belongs
to the European Union (a political organization) and
is also a participant in NATO (a military organization),
in order to illustrate the complementary—rather
than “conflictual”—relationship between
these two bodies.

Closing Session and organisational issues
The seminar was closed with remarks from
Professor Vicente Garrido, Director of INCIPE, followed
by Bernardino León, State Secretary for Foreign
Affairs and Iberoamerica –Spanish Ministry of
Foreign Affairs and Cooperation.
The State Secretary stressed the importance
of this kind of initiatives and NATO’s role in
promoting peace and stability around the world, especially
in Afghanistan, whit the celebration of the first democratic
elections.
After then, the President of INCIPE, Ambassador
José Lladó, made a final statement, comparing
the world situation during the Cold War with the present
moment as well as how NATO was forced to change to adapt
itself to the new situation. Finally, Lladó referred
to the necessity of cooperation and to the importance
of dialogue between north and south as the best form
to avoid the “class of civilisations” and
to avoid misunderstandings.
More than 120 people
attended the Seminar. Apart from the official program,
during the Seminar a working-lunch on “NATO’s
role in Afghanistan” was held with NATO’s
Assistant Secretary General for Public Diplomacy, Mr.
Jean Fournet, to which 50 inviters attended.